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Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond,
originally entitled "Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse,"
but now usually known as the "Greenbaum Speech,"
delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on
Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the
Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia.
Sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment,
The Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. Both a tape and a
transcript were at one time available from Audio Transcripts of
Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111). Tapes and transcripts of
other sessions from the conference are still being sold but --
understandably -- not this one. The transcript below was made
from a privately made tape of the original lecture.
The single most remarkable thing about
this speech is how little one has heard of it in the two years
since its original delivery. It is recommended that one reads
far enough at least until one finds why it's called "the
Greenbaum speech."
In the introduction the following
background information is given for D. Corydon Hammond:
- B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology)
from the University of Utah
- Diplomate in Clinical Hypnosis, the
American Board of Psychological Hypnosis
- Diplomate in Sex Therapy, the American
Board of Sexology
- Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner,
American Board of Sexology
- Diplomate in Marital and Sex Therapy,
American Board of Family Psychology
- Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Marital
Therapist, Licensed Family Therapist, State of Utah
- Research Associate Professor of
Physical Medicine an Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine
- Director and Founder of the Sex and
Marital Therapy Clinic, University of Utah.
- Adjunct Associate Professor of
Educational Psychology, University of Utah Abstract
- Editor, The American Journal of
Clinical Hypnosis
- Advising Editor and Founding Member,
Editorial Board, The Ericsonian Monograph
- Referee, The Journal of Abnormal
Psychology
- 1989 Presidential Award of Merit,
American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
- 1990 Urban Sector Award, American
Society of Clinical Hypnosis
- Current President, American Society of
Clinical Hypnosis
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Subject: The Greenbaum Speech (2/4)
``THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C.HAMMOND''
We've got a lot to cover today and let me
give you a rough approximate outline of the the things that I'd
like us to get into. First, let me ask how many of you have had
at least one course or workshop on hypnosis? Can I see the
hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier. Okay.
I want to start off by talking a little
about trance-training and the use of hypnotic phenomena with an
MPD dissociative-disorder population, to talk some about
unconscious exploration, methods of doing that, the use of
imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical
symptoms, input overload, things like that. Before the day's
out, I want to spend some time talking about something I think
has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative
disorder, and that's talking about methods of profound calming
for automatic hyper-arousal that's been conditioned in these
patients. We're going to spend a considerable length of time
talking about age-regression and abreaction in working through a
trauma. I'll show you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that
kind of work -- and then extrapolate from what I find so similar
and different with MPD cases. Part of that, I would add, by the
way, is that I've been very sensitive through the years about
taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse cases, part of it being that
some of that feels a little like using patients and I think that
this population has been used enough. That's part of the reason,
by choice, that I don't generally videotape my work. I also want
to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse- prevention strategies
and post-integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to find
somewhere in our time-frame to spend on hour or so talking
specifically about ritual abuse and about mind-control
programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how to get on the
inside with that -- which is a topic that in the past I haven't
been willing to speak about publicly, have done that in small
groups and in consultations, but recently decided that it was
high time that somebody started doing it. So we're going to talk
about specifics today. [Applause]
In Chicago at the first international
congress where ritual abuse was talked about I can remember
thinking, "How strange and interesting." I can recall
many people listening to an example given that somebody thought
was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up
after saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're in
Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in
Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to
think at that point. It wasn't too long after that I found my
first ritual-abuse patient in somebody I was already treating
and we hadn't gotten that deep yet. Things in that case made me
very curious about the use of mind-control techniques and
hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started
studying brainwashing and some of the literature in that area
and became acquainted with, in fact, one of the people who'd
written one of the better books in that area. Then I decided to
do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D [International Society for
the Study of Mulptiple Personality and Dissociation] folks I
picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I though
were seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I
started surveying them. The interview protocol, that I had. got
the same reaction almost without exception. Those therapists
said, "You're asking questions I don't know the answers to.
You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked my
patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let me
ask those questions and I'll get back to you with the
answer." Many of them not only got back with answers, but
said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two
patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of
telephone interviewing. What I came out of that was a grasp of a
variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the country.
I started to hear some similarities.
Whereas I hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things
were, I was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of
people reporting some similar things and that there must be some
degree of communication here. Then approximately two and a half
years ago I had some material drop in my lap. My source was
saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of
the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had no
idea about. At this point I took and decided to check it out in
three ritual-abuse patients I was seeing at the time. Two of the
three had what they were describing, in careful inquiry without
leading or contaminating. The fascinating thing was that as I
did a telephone-consult with a therapist that I'd been
consulting for quite a number of months on an MPD case in
another state, I told her to inquire about certain things. She
said, "Well, what are those things?" I said, "I'm
not going to tell you, because I don't want there to be any
possibility of contamination. Just come back to me and tell me
what the patient says." She called me back two hours later,
said, "I just had a double session with this patient and
there was a part of him that said, 'Oh, we're so excited. If you
know about this stuff, you know how the Cult Programmers get on
the inside and our therapy is going to go so much faster.'"
Many other patients since have had a
reaction of wanting to pee their pants out of anxiety and fear
rather than thinking it was wonderful thing. But the interesting
thing was that she then asked, "What are these
things?" They were word perfect -- same answers my source
had given me. I've since repeated that in many parts of the
country. I've consulted in eleven states and one foreign
country, in some cases over the telephone, in some cases in
person, in some cases giving the therapist information ahead of
time and saying, "Be very careful how you phrase this.
Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate." In other
cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so
they couldn't. When you start to find the same highly esoteric
information in different states and different countries, from
Florida to California, you start to get an idea that there's
something going on that is very large, very well coordinated,
with a great deal of communication and systematicness to what's
happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not
knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly
believes ritual abuse is real and that the people who say it
isn't are either naive like people who didn't want to believe
the Holocaust or -- they're dirty. [Applause]
Now for a long time I would tell a select
group of therapists that I knew and trusted, information and
say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my name. Don't say where
it came from. But here's some information. Share it with other
therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate your
feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and say,
you know, they were hungry for information. Myself, as well as a
few others that I've shared it with, were hedging out of concern
and out of personal threats and out of death threats. I finally
decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill me, they're
going to kill me. It's time to share more information with
therapists. Part of that comes because we proceeded so
cautiously and slowly, checking things in many different
locations and find the same thing. So I'm going to give you the
way in with ritual-abuse programming. I certainly can't tell you
everything that you want to know in forty-five or fifty minutes,
but I'm going to give you the essentials to get inside and start
working at a new level.
I don't know what proportion, honestly, of
patients have this. I would guess that maybe somewhere around at
least fifty percent, maybe as high as three-quarters, I would
guess maybe two-thirds of your ritual-abuse patients may have
this. What do I think the distinguishing characteristic is? If
they were raised from birth in a mainstream cult or if they were
an non-bloodline person, meaning neither parent was in the Cult,
but Cult people had a lot of access to them in early childhood,
they may also have it. I have seen more than one ritual-abuse
patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual things you hear
about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about all the
typical things that you hear in this population, but had none of
this programming with prolonged extensive checking. So I believe
in one case I was personally treating that she was a kind of
schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone off and done their
own thing and were no longer hooked into a mainstream group.
[Pause]
Here's where it appears to have come from.
At the end of World War II, before it even ended, Allen Dulles
and people from our Intelligence Community were already in
Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi scientists. As World
War II ends, they not only get out rocket scientists, but they
also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing mind-control
research in the camps.
They brought them to the United States.
Along with them was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised
in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background of Cabalistic
mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because
at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been
introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier. I
suspect it may have formed some bond between them. But he saved
his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to them in the
death-camp experiments. They brought him with them. They started
doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in
military hospitals in the United States. The people that came,
the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed
his name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became
a physician and continued this work that appears to be at the
center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients
throughout the country. [Pause] What they basically do is they
will get a child and they will start this, in basic forms, it
appears, by about two and a half after the child's already been
made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative not only
through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like putting a
mousetrap on their fingers and teaching the parents, "You
do not go in until the child stops crying. Only then do you go
in and remove it." They start in rudimentary forms at about
two and a half and kick into high gear, it appears, around six
or six and a half, continue through adolescence with periodic
reinforcements in adulthood. Basically in the programming the
child will be put typically on a gurney. They will have an IV in
one hand or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically naked.
There'll be wires attached to their head to monitor
electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing light,
most often described as red, occasionally white or blue. They'll
be given, most commonly I believe, Demerol. Sometimes it'll be
other drugs as well depending on the kind of programming. They
have it, I think, down to a science where they've learned you
give so much every twenty-five minutes until the programming is
done. They then will describe a pain on one ear, their right ear
generally, where it appears a needle has been placed, and they
will hear weird, disorienting sounds in that ear while they see
photic stimulation to drive the brain into a brainwave pattern
with a pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the
goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and some of
those kinds of stores. Then, after a suitable period when
they're in a certain brainwave state, they will begin
programming, programming oriented to self-destruction and
debasement of the person.
In a patient at this point in time about
eight years old who has gone through a great deal early
programming took place on a military installation. That's not
uncommon. I've treated and been involved with cases who are part
of this original mind-control project as well as having their
programming on military reservations in many cases. We find a
lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now was in a Cult
school, a private Cult school where several of these sessions
occurred a week. She would go into a room, get all hooked up.
They would do all of these sorts of things. When she was in the
proper altered state, now they were no longer having to monitor
it with electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed
on her electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four on the
head. Sometimes they'll be on other parts of the body. They will
then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with
someone in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not"
and they'd violently shock her. They would say the same thing
until she complied and didn't make any negative response. Then
they would continue. "And because you are angry with
someone in the group," or "When you are angry with
someone in the group, you will hurt yourself. Do you
understand?" She said, "No" and they shocked her.
They repeated again, "Do you understand?" "Well,
yes, but I don't want to." Shock her again untill they get
compliance. Then they keep adding to it. "And you will hurt
yourself by cutting yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe
she'd say yes, but they might say, "We don't believe
you" and shock her anyway. "Go back and go over it
again." They would continue in this sort of fashion. She
said typically it seemed as though they'd go about thirty
minutes, take a break for a smoke or something, come back. They
may review what they'd done and stopped or they might review
what they'd done and go on to new material. She said the
sessions might go half an hour, they might go three hours. She
estimated three times a week.
Programming under the influence of drugs
in a certain brainwave state and with these noises in one ear
and them speaking in the other ear, usually the left ear,
associated with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning,
and with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense
concentration, intense focusing. Because often they'll have to
memorize and say certain things back, word-perfect, to avoid
punishment, shock, and other kinds of things that are occurring.
This is basically how a lot of programming goes on. Some of
it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of techniques.
There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things done at
times. There'll be sensory deprivation which we know increases
suggestibility in anyone. Total sensory deprivation,
suggestibility has significantly increased, from the research.
It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal of that,
including formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do
certain of these things.
[Pause] Now let me give you, because we
don't have a lot of time, as much practical information as I
can. The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some of
this might be there would be with ideomotor finger-signals.
After you've set them up I would say, "I want the central
inner core of you to take control of the finger-signals."
Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case where you're inquiring
about ritual abuse, that's for the central inner core. The core
is a Cult-created part. "And I want that central inner core
of you to take control of this hand of these finger-signals and
what it has for the yes-finger to float up. I want to ask the
inner core of you is there any part of you, any part of
Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows anything
about Alpha, Beta, Delta, or Theta." If you get a Yes, it
should raise a red flag that you might have someone with formal
intensive brainwashing and programming in place. I would then
ask and say, "I want a part inside who knows something
about Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta to come up to a level where
you can speak to me and when you're here say, 'I'm here.'"
I would not ask if a part was willing to. No one's going to
particularly want to talk about this. I would just say, "I
want some part who can tell me about this to come out."
Without leading them ask them what these things are. I've had
consults where I've come in. Sometimes I've gotten a Yes to
that, but as I've done exploration it appeared to be some kind
of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two or three
cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe
they were in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it
was obvious that they did not have what we were looking for. Let
me tell you what these are.
Let's suppose that this whole front row
here are multiples and that she has an alter named Helen and she
has one named Mary, she has one named Gertrude, she has one
named Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica. Every one of
those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps designated
alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say,
"Alpha-zero-zero-nine" or make some kind of hand
gesture to indicate this and get the same part out in any one of
them even though they had different names that they may be known
by to you. Alphas appear to represent general programming, the
first kind of things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs.
For example, how to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to
perform sex in rituals, having to do with producing child
pornography, directing child pornography, prostitution. Deltas
are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies. There'll also
be some self-harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination and
killing. Thetas are called psychic killers. You know, I had
never in my life heard those two terms paired together. I'd
never heard the words "psychic killers" put together,
but when you have people in different states, including
therapists inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and
patients say to them, "Psychic killers," it tends to
make one a believer that certain things are very systematic and
very widespread. This comes from their belief in psychic sorts
of abilities and powers, including their ability to psychically
communicate with "mother'" including their ability to
psychically cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and die.
It also is a more future-oriented kind of programming. Then
there's Omega. I usually don't include that word when I say my
first question about this or any part inside that knows about
Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because Omega will shake them even
more. Omega has to do with self-destruct programming. Alpha and
Omega, the beginning and the end. This can include
self-mutilation as well as killing-themselves programming. Gamma
appears to be system-protection and deception programming which
will provide misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell
you half-truths, protect different things inside. There can also
be other Greek letters. I'd recommend that you go and get your
entire Greek alphabet and if you have verified that some of this
stuff is present and they have given you some of the right
answers about what some of this material is, and I can't
underline enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this
killers?" Get the answer from them, please. When you've
done this and it appears to be present, I would take your entire
Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals, go through the
alphabet and say, "Is there any programming inside
associated with epsilon, omicron," and go on through. There
may be some sytematicness to some of the other letter, but I'm
not aware of it.
Now there are many different layers of
this stuff is the problem. Let me come over to the overhead and
give some ideas about them. What we have up here are innumerable
alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating things I've seen. I
remember a little over a year ago coming in to see some cases,
some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of a
couple of the finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who
are always part of all the international meetings, have lectured
internationally. We worked and I look at some of their patients.
They were amazed at certain things because they had not been
aware of this before. As we worked with some of the patients and
confirmed it, I remember one woman who'd been inpatient for
three years, still was inpatient. Another who had one intensive
year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD therapy you can
imagine -- abreactions, integrations, facilitating cooperation,
art therapy, on and on and on, journaling, intensively for one
inpatient year followed by an intensive year of outpatient
therapy two, three hours a week. In both patients we found out
that all of this great work had done nothing but deal with the
alters up here and had not touched the mind-control programming.
In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who
was outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by
her mother, out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still
had intact suggestions that had been given to her at a certain
future time to kill her therapist. Now one of the things that I
would very carefully check is, I would suggest that you ask the
core, not just the unconscious mind, ask the core, "Is
there any part inside that continues to have contact with people
associated with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes to
Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a recording device inside of
Mary," if that's the host's name, "a recording device
inside so that someone can find out the things that are said in
sessions?" This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of
them just simply have it. "Is there someone who debriefs
some part inside for what happens in our therapy sessions?"
I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience
that when you look at this you will find the large proportion of
ritual-abuse victims in this country are having their ongoing
therapy monitored.
I remember a woman who came in about
twenty-four years old, claimed her father was a Satanist. Her
parents divorced when she was six. After that it would only when
her father had visitation and he would take her to rituals
sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone
to anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed
this at face value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour
inquiry using hypnosis. We found the programming present. In
addition to that we found that every therapy session was
debriefed and in fact they had told her to get sick and not come
to the appointment with me. Another one had been told that I was
Cult and that if she came I would know that she'd been told not
to come and I would punish her. If anything meaningful comes out
in a patient who's being monitored like that -- from what I've
learned thus far, they're tortured with electric shocks -- my
belief is if they're in that situation you can't do meaningful
therapy other than being supportive and caring and letting them
know you care a lot and you'll be there to support them. But I
wouldn't try to work with any kind of deep material or
deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing but
get them tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe,
secure inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some
of the work required. I have a feeling that when you make
inquiries you're going to find that probably greater than fifty
percent of these patients, if they're bloodline, meaning mother
or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing
basis. [Pause]
Now when you come below the alters, you
then have Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, so and so forth, the
Greek-letter programming and they will then have backup
programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the
backups. There may be one code that combines all the backups
into one and then an erasure code for them, simply one code that
erases all the backups. So I will get the code for, let's say,
Omega and for all the Omega backups at the same time. After I've
asked "What will happen if I give this," I will give
the code and then I will say, "What are you
experiencing?" They often describe computer whirring,
things erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting
things. I've had some therapists come back and say, "My
Lord, I had never said anything about robots she said something
about robots vaporizing." I remember one therapist who'd
been with me in several hypnosis workshops and consulted with me
about a crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about Alpha,
Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got back to me saying,
"Yeah, I got an indication it's there. What is it?" I
said, "I'm not going to tell you. Go back and inquire about
some of this." We set an appointment for a week or so
hence. She got back with me and said, "I asked what Theta
was and she said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her what Delta was
and she said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of
this stuff for a two-hour consult. She called back and she said,
"This seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I thought,
'Has Cory been working too hard?'" she said, I'm
embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in high
professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the
twilight zone that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous
breakdown or something?'" She said, "But I respected
you enough to ask about this." She said, "I asked
another MPD patient and she didn't have any of this." So in
this patient she started describing things and how she worked,
for example, with an erasure and she was describing things like
robots vaporizing and kinds of things. She said, "I hadn't
told her about any of these things." Well, here's the
problem. There are different layers and I think some of them are
designed to keep us going in circles forever. They figured we
probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which
they purposefully created.
The way you create Manchurian Candidates
is you divide the mind. It's part of what the Intelligence
Community wanted to look at. If you're going to get an assassin,
you're going to get somebody to go do something, you divide the
mind. It fascinates me about cases like the assassination of
Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan
Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert
Kennedy, but under hypnosis could remember it. But despite
suggestions he would be able to consciously remember, could not
remember a thing after he was out of hypnosis. I'd love to
examine Sirhan Sirhan.
It appears that below this we've got some
other layers. One is called "Green Programming" it
appears. Isn't it interesting that the doctor's name is Dr.
Green? One of the questions in a way that does not contaminate
is after I've identified some of this stuff is there and they've
given me a few right answers about what some of it is, "If
there were a doctor associated with this programming and his
name were a color, you know, like Dr. Chartreuse or something,
if his name were a color, what color would the color be?"
Now once in a while I've had some other colors mentioned in
about three or four patients that I felt were trying to
dissimulate in some way and I don't really believe had this. In
one case I got another color and I found out later it was a
doctor whose name was a color who was being trained by Dr. Green
almost thirty years ago and he supervised part of the
programming of this woman under this doctor. I remember one
woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would speak up
with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some
other material. About two minutes later she said, "Green.
Do you mean Dr. Green?" We found this all over. There
appears to be some Green Programming below that and I suspect
that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper
you go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green
Tree. Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you're
going to work with this you need to pick up a couple of books on
the Cabala. One is by a man named Dion Fortune called
"Qabala" with a "q," Dion Fortune. Another
is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The
Kabbalah." I knew nothing about the Cabala. It was
interesting. A patient had sat in my waiting area, got there
considerably early and drew a detailed multicolored Cabalistic
Tree over two years ago. It took me two months to figure out
what it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else who said,
"You know? That looks an awful lot like the Cabala
Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric in an old
book and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr. Green.
Now the interesting thing about the Green
Tree is his original name was Greenbaum. What does
"greenbaum" mean in German? Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and
the Green Tree. I've also had patients who didn't appear to know
that his original name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there
were parts inside named Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give you some
information about parts inside that may be helpful to you if
you're going to inquire about these things, because my
experience is one part will give you some information and either
run dry or get defensive or scared and stop. And so you punt and
you make an end run and you come around the other direction, you
find another part. I'll tell you several parts to ask for and
ask if there's a part by this name. And, by the way, when I'm
screening patients and fiddling around with this, I throw in a
bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part inside by
this name and by that name" as a check on whether or not it
appears genuine. For example. "In addition to the
core," I ask, "is there a part inside named
Wisdom?" Wisdom is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom,
I've often found, will be helpful and give you a lot of
information. "Is there a part inside named Diana?" I
mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is there a part
inside named Zelda?" I've never encountered one yet! Just
to see what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully.
Diana is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated
with a part called the Foundation. You will be fascinated to
know that. Remember the Process Church? Roman Polanski's wife,
Sharon Tate, was killed by the Manson Family who were associated
with the Process Church? A lot of prominent people in Hollywood
were associated and then they went underground, the books say,
in about seventy-eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and
well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah
Department of Public Safety documenting that they moved to
southern Utah, north of Monument Valley, bought a movie ranch in
the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built a bunch of
buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few people go
out of there and no one can get in and changed their name. A key
word in their name is "Foundation." The Foundation.
There are some other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree.
So you can ask, "Is there something inside known as The
Foundation?" I might ask other things to throw people off.
"Is there something known as the Sub- Basement?" Well,
maybe they'll conceive of something. Or "Is there something
known as the Walls?" There are a variety of questions you
can come up with, to sort of screen some things. I've also found
that there will often be a part called "Black Master,"
a part called "Master Programmer," and that there will
be computer operators inside. How many of you have come into
computer things in patients? There will typically be computer
operators: Computer Operator Black, Computer Operator Green,
Computer Operator Purple. Sometimes they'll have numbers
instead, sometimes they'll be called Systems Information
Directors. You can find out the head one of those. There'll be a
source of some information for you. I will ask inside, "Is
there a part inside named Dr. Green?" You'll find that
there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my
experience. Usually with a little work and reframing, you can
turn them and help them to realize that they were really a
child-part who's playing a role and they had no choice then, but
they do now. You know, they played their role very, very well,
but they don't have to continue to play it with you because
they're safe here and in fact, "If the Cult simply found
out that you talked to me, that they you had shared information
with me, you tell me what would they do to you?" Emphasize
that the only way out is through me and that they need to
cooperate and share information and help me and that I'll help
them. So all these parts can give you various information.
Now they have tried to protect this very
carefully. Let me give you an example with Ultra-Green. I
discovered this -- by the way I used to think this programming
was only in bloodline people. I've discovered it in
non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different. They don't want
it to be just the same. I don't think you'll find deep things
like Ultra-Green and probably not even Green Programming with
non-bloodline people. But let me tell you something that I
discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a bloodline. We
were going along and a patient was close to getting well,
approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she
suddenly started hallucinating and her fingers were becoming
hammers and other things like that. So I used an affect-bridge
and we went back and we found that what happened was that they
gave suggestions, that if she ever got well to a certain point
she would go crazy. The way they did this was they strapped her
down and they gave her LSD when she was eight years old. When
she began hallucinating they inquired about the nature of the
hallucinations so they could utilize them in good Ericsonian
fashion and build on them and then combine the drug-effect with
powerful suggestions. "If you ever get to this point you
will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get well you
will go crazy like this and will be locked up in an institution
for the rest of your life. They gave those suggestions
vigorously and repetitively. Finally they introduced other
suggestions that, "Rather than have this happen, it would
be easier to just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient
then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the patient
started to experience similar symptoms. We went back and we
found the identical things were done to her.
This was called the "Green
Bomb." B-O-M-B. Lots of interesting internal consistencies
like that play on words with Dr. Greenbaum, his original name.
Now in this case it was done to her at age nine for the first
time and then only hers was different. Hers was a suggestion for
amnesia. "If you ever remember anything about Ultra-Green
and the Green Tree you will go crazy. You will become a
vegetable and be locked up forever." Then finally the
suggestion's added, "And it'll be easier to just kill
yourself than have that happen to you, if you ever remember
it." At age twelve then, three years later, they used what
sounds like an Amytol interview to try to breach the amnesia and
find out if they could. They couldn't. So then they strapped her
down again, took and gave her something to kind of paralyze her
body, gave her LSD, an even bigger dose and reinforced all the
suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen. So these
are some of the kind of booby traps you run into. There are a
number of cases where they combined powerful drug effects like
this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some of this
deeper level stuff. What's the bottom?
Your guess is as good as mine but I can
tell you that I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with
these cases who were going nowhere. In fact someone here that I
told some basic information about this to in Ohio a couple of
months ago said it opened all sorts of things up in a patient
who'd been going nowhere. That's an often common thing. I think
that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with some
of the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it.
But we don't even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm
working with we have pretty much dealt with a lot of the
top-level stuff. I'll tell you how we've done some of that.
We'll take and erase one system like Omega. Then we will have a
huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in a
fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I typically
find I'll say to them, "Now that we've done this are there
any other memories and feelings that any parts that were Omega
still have?" The answer's usually "No." At that
point I will say, "I usually find at this point in time the
majority, if not all, of those parts that used to be Omega no
longer feel a desire or need to be different, realizing that you
split off originally by them and want to go home to Mary and
become one with her again." I use the concept often now --
which came from a patient -- of going home and becoming one with
her. "Going back from whence you came" is another
phrase I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts
inside who do not feel comfortable with that or have
reservations or concerns about that?" If there are we talk
to them. We deal with them. A few may not integrate. My
experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we may
integrate twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex
MPD. I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings
before you go on. Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to
matter the order we go in but I've found a couple where it has.
If it doesn't seem to matter I'll typically go Omega, then Delta
because they have more violence potential, then Gamma to get rid
of the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I just assume
anything and do that, is once we've done Omega and showed them
that success can occur and something can happen and they feel
relief after, I will say to them, "I want to ask the core
-- through the fingers -- is there a specific order in which
programs must be erased?" You know maybe it doesn't matter
but most of the time I found "No." There are cases
where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or
three of those because they'll produce relief and and a sense of
optimism in the patient. But then I would recommend starting to
probe for the deeper level things and getting their input and
recommendations about the order in which we go.
Question? Q: What has been the typical age
and typical gender of this type of person? Dr.H: I know of this
being found in men and women. Most of the patients I know with
MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are women, however. I
know of some men being treated where we've found this. A while
back I was talking to a small group of therapists somewhere. I
told them about some of this. In the middle of talking about
some of this all the color drained out of one social worker's
face and she obviously had a reaction and I asked her about and
she said, "I'm working with a five-year-old boy," and
she said, "Just in the last few weeks he was saying
something about a Dr. Green."
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Q: It seems to me that there seems to be
some similarity between these kinds of programming and those
people who claim that they've been abducted by spaceships and
have had themselves physically probed and reprogrammed and all
of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is across the
Florida peninsula from me and I don't think that they've
reported any spaceships lately, I was just wondering is there
any sort of relationship between this and that?
Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that
comes from others really. I've not dealt with any of those
people. However, I know a therapist that I know and trust and
respect who I've informed about all this a couple of years ago
and has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly
of the belief that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims
who have been programmed with that sort of thing to destroy all
their credibility. If somebody's coming in and reporting
abduction by a flying sauce who's going to believe them on
anything else in the future? Also as a kind of thing that can be
pointed to and said, "This is as ridiculous as that."
All I know is that I recently had a consult, a telephone
consult, with a therapist where I had been instructing her about
some of this kind of stuff. When we were consulting at one point
in the fifth or sixth interview she said, "By the way, do
you know anything about this topic?" I said, "Well,
not really" and shared with her what I shared with you. I
said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that
she'd been seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would
ask inside for the core to take control of finger-signals and
inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta." She proceeded to
do all that, got back to me a week later and said, "Boy,
were you on target. There is a part inside named Dr. Green.
There's this kind of programming."
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